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However, telling someone "look, if you come forward and admit you lied, we GUARANTEE you're going to prison for a good quarter of your life, and having everything you care about and enjoy taken from you for the duration. The chances of you being able to rebuild when you get out are zero."
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Almost nobody would ever be willing to admit they had lied in this scenario-- they'd rather stick to their story. If they're willing to tell a lie like that in the first place clearly their narcissism is already out of control, so putting the well-being of their victim ahead of their own is astronomically slim
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Granted, if there are no repercussions, no one will ever see the harm in lying, and they will literally use their sociopathic idiocy to undermine the entire justice system. True victims of assault have fought damn hard to be heard and deserve better than these lying pieces of garbage trying to hop on the bandwagon. And people who have never commited a crime deserve some level of recompense for all they're put through.
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People who lie about rape are either severely mentally ill and should probably be institutionalized as they are now a harm to themselves and others... or among the lowest dregs of society.
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And all that in mind, I still (and will always feel) that it is better to let a guilty man go free (or have a lesser charge) than condemn the innocent.
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What I said was: if you put forward an extremely severe consequence, any sane person with this level of narcissism is going to see their options as:
-if I don't say anything, no one will ever know. I'll be great.
-if I say something I'm going to be raped, beaten, etc for the next 25 years.
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No one would ever come forward. Meanwhile the guy is trapped in that hell for the rest of the sentence, and when he DOES get out, that hell will not end. He will be labelled a sex offender. He will get hate mail and death threats and likely have an impossible time getting a job. He will get harassed and abused and bullied and it will never end until he dies.
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If a man keeps a teenage girl prisoner in his basement. Rapes her, tortures her, impregnated her and kills her children, If I had to choose between saving her and arresting him, I would rather see her saved from that situation, given safety and therapy and comfort and love and some chance at life.
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And just the same, if a man has been falsely convicted I want him out of that situation and to have his life rebuilt. What happens to his accuser is secondary
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It's not entirely fair, but it saves time and hassle and at least offers minor incentive to admit you lied.
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They do the same thing with murders and other crimes, so it's a place to start at least
“They are wasting public resources in a futile attempt to make as many people's lives harder as they can simply because they are worthless cunts that are pissed they can't get any. They are garbage people doing garbage people things and are trying to hide behind "oh im doing my civic duty" as an excuse to not get flak for it.
These worthless cunts should get arrested for false reports as they know damn well what they are doing and are doing it with malicious intent but that would be too much of a waste of time to fuck with.” You posted this ten hours ago in relation to people being reported for tax evasion. I now believe you have no set of beliefs or morals and just want to argue.
1. Protect the general public from threat.
2. Make whole, or as whole as possible all parties as they were before a crime.
3. Discourage and rehabilitate against future criminal action.
4- and probably most important: protect and uphold the rights of all humans.
If is not always possible to get all of these perfect. The system is designed and (hopefully continually improved,) to do as well as it can, but without total surveillance of body and mind, it is not possible to KNOW guilt, an accusation is made, a burden of proof is set, the accuser must prove the guilt of the accused or the accused may walk. It is possible to wrongly convict for ANY crime and if it happens just 1 time- that is a travesty that we should try to avoid, but NOT by forgetting the fundamental reasons the legal system exists.
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I suppose I never said it outright, but I was exclusively addressing people getting others convicted when they know damn well the person did nothing wrong
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But if all that goes aside, if someone intentionally tries to get a person convicted of a murder, there are a lot of crimes they can be held under. Miscarriage of justice possibly; providing false evidency/testimony; possibly conspiracy/framing (idr the exact terminology). All of which I imagine are what they process false rape crimes under, but as I said I'm not a lawyer. I haven't dug deep enough into the technical law aspects of it to know all the ins and outs
Those are two very different situations. In the one we are talking about is lying to get someone put in prison for doing something to you. This situation requires that punishment be light or nil for those that lie to protect the actual victim as anything else would make it impossible for the actual victim to ever get out of jail.
The situation you are quoting is extremely different
(nice mixture of an ad hominem and a strawman by the way fucking hell)
In the situation you are quoting me on the victim isnt going to jail. The victim does not have any need to be protected. The "victim" of the crime in legal terms is the state...
- Faulty memory, trauma plus other factors of memory causing a mistake of identity or events.
- Perception, the perceptions of events between the two individuals differed, and based on available evidence it was determined that a criminal rape was not perpetrated by the accused.
- A verdict in error do to skillful legal tactics, lack of evidence, or lies and deception of the defense.
So- a legitimate rape case can still lose right? And we are having this discussion because a false rape case can win- you can produce enough evidence for a judge or jury to label a person a rapist when they did not. Perjury follows the same guidelines. Perjury...
I agree with you, Jason